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Not only was this keyboard made in China…

3 July 2008

…but so are the torture methods used by the United States at Guantánomo Bay! Seriously, George Orwell could not have made this up.

From the NYT:

The military trainers who came to Guantánamo Bay in December 2002 based an entire interrogation class on a chart showing the effects of “coercive management techniques” for possible use on prisoners, including “sleep deprivation,” “prolonged constraint,” and “exposure.”

What the trainers did not say, and may not have known, was that their chart had been copied verbatim from a 1957 Air Force study of Chinese Communist techniques used during the Korean War to obtain confessions, many of them false, from American prisoners.

Are you kidding me? Please, someone explain to me how this administration or any of its true-believers can deny that the US Government tortures “enemy combatants” (a bs term if there ever was one, but that is another story).  Please explain how there is any difference between what the “evil commie chinamen” did in the Korean War and what the US is doing now. Hint: There is no difference.

Both regimes used torture to elicit whatever they wanted to hear out of their prisoners. The Chinese at the time wanted to hear American soldiers say that they were involved with insidious plots against China. This could be used for propaganda purproses, showing just how terrible the Americans truly were.

And now, America is doing the same. I am hardly convinced that our government even cares if they get accurate admissions anymore. As long as they get some story about how terrorists are going to blow up a strip-mall in Bumfuck, USA, they are happy. That story can be played on the news for 24 hours and be used to make sure we submit to not being able to take a bottle of water on an airplane.  And guess what, this torture HAS gotten us false information. From The Agitator (via Dispatches):

Ron Suskind notes in his book The One Percent Doctrine that many of the false alarms we’ve had over impending terrorist attacks in recent years came from the use of these techniques against low-level al-Qaeda member Abu Zubaydah (he was basically the organization’s travel agent), who told his interrogators whatever he thought they wanted to hear to stop them from torturing him. So we got all of those false warnings about pending terrorist attacks on “shopping malls, banks, supermarkets, nuclear plants, apartment buildings, and water systems.”

Well, I hope you feel safer. I am not proud of this, and I really don’t think any American should be.

Note: This Sunday should see another science/medicine-related post, finally. I’m shadowing again so I should have some cool things to write about.

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One comment

  1. What the lefties dont understand is that our soldiers have been interrogated for hundreds of years and that included the times of the Geneva Convention. Another point that they miss is that interrogation methods described are legal under the Geneva Conventions.

    1968 it was acknowledged that our soldiers and airmen were being subjected to interrogation methods that were NOT included in the approved methods of the Geneva… sparky balls, tongue retractions, growing bamboo under the fingernails, electro probes up the butt. As a result our Code of Conduct was changed to include capitulation to the enemy.

    Medical types, lefties, ACLU members all live in their own little worlds and havent been in the trenches. Maybe its time they do a tour or two with the US Army or the Marines or punch out over enemy territory and see how well they are treated. Its always been there, it will always be there. We are just responding in kind. How anyone can defend people using it on us and not allowing on our end of the fence for moral or “legal” reasons is beyond me. Legal hasnt been established yet.



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